"Going back to when I was about 13 years old everybody was wearing plain old trunks from JC Penney's or wherever you bought trunks from in those days. I spent a lot of time at the Manhattan Beach Surf Club under the pier. This was at turn of the Grannis era, when surfers were guys like Don James and Doc Ball, educated guys who went to church and didn't swear and were polite. Well I got involved when the whole thing was falling to shit and guys like Dale Velzy and George Kapu got involved. Things turned and went the other way. There was a pretty earthy group of guys at the Manhattan Pier who set the style for the South bay and that effected things all up and down the street.